Redefining Wealth with Patrice Washington

Transcript

If you’ve been listening to this podcast for a while, you will know that I’m all about the money, honey. But in today’s interview, I had a really incredible chat which will change the way that you think about money forever. Today’s guest is Patrice Washington, and we spoke about the real pillars of happiness and how you can learn to chase purpose and ultimately redefine wealth for yourself.

Patrice. It is so lovely to have you.

PATRICE

Yeah, it is delightful to be here. Thank you for having me.

CLARE

So whereabouts are you based?

PATRICE

I’m based in just north of Atlanta, GA.

CLARE

Ohh well, it’s wonderful to have you joining us here today. Patrice, for any of the listeners who don’t know who you are. And what you do, could you do a quick intro to yourself?

Patrice’s story from a 7-figure business to struggling to pay the bills (and back again!)

PATRICE

Sure, I’m the founder of the Institute for Redefining Wealth and the host of the Redefining Wealth Podcast. My mission is to help redefine wealth for this generation. And I came into this just with my own experience. I call it a bathroom floor moment, so if anyone’s ever been sick and tired of being sick and tired with where they are financially, I am your girl. I started what was a 7-figure business straight out of college and thought that it would go on forever… until my bathroom floor moment this is. When reality hit that my 7-figure business had crumbled and I was now scraping up change to feed my daughter and I was in the mirror and this teeny tiny apartment after my home foreclosed in Southern California. Looking in the mirror and just kind of going. God, why me? I’ve been a good person. I tried to operate in integrity. I treat people well and I did what I was told to do, go to school, get good grades and you should be able to get a great job or start a business. I followed the recipe to a tea, so what the heck is going on?

Earlier that day, Clare I ran down the hallway to chase the power man who had come to turn our power off for lack of payment, and I chased him with my baby on my hip and literally begged this man to turn the lights on or her milk would spoil and he said, hey, I can do it. I’ll take pity on you today, but they’ll be back tomorrow or the day after. And I’m like, just I needed two days. Just let me figure it out.

You could have never told me when I was in university, graduating with honours, a business degree in entrepreneurial studies, having gotten my brokers licence in real estate at just 21 years old that I would be in this position where I’m making decisions about do I pay the light bill or do I get more food or do I pay car insurance about very basic household necessities. But here I was at that time with the baby. I cried God, why me? And it turned into crying on the bathroom floor. A good ugly cry. I don’t know if you’ve ever ugly, cried, but it was the ugliest cry, the unrecognisable face, puffy cry where I felt this sense of I’ve literally brought myself as far as I could take myself. I don’t know what else to do because I thought I did all the right things.

And I had what I referred to as a small voice kind of nudge me and say, hey, get your Bible and I’m one of those people, I don’t care if it’s a Bible or any book, I have this thing where I just open it to a page and feel like whatever is on the page was exactly what I needed. In that moment, I don’t know if you’ve ever done this… I opened it and I landed on this scripture. It was proverbs 1716 and it said “What good is money in the hands of a fool if they have no desire to seek wisdom?” And while I had been very smart, very educated, could pass the brokers exam on the first try, it was the first time something told me to look up the difference between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge was being able to gather all of the information and have the education. But wisdom was how do you apply it. And when I got radically honest with myself in that moment, I realised that I had been very smart and very educated, but I didn’t always make wise choices with money. I didn’t always seek wise counsel. I was so used to being the person that everybody else came to ask for help, that I didn’t even know how to ask for help, and I just suffered in silence through this whole period of what became for us the Great Recession here.

As my first grade teacher taught me, when you know something, you have a responsibility to share with friends. And that happened March 9, 2009, and so for these last 15 years, I’ve just been a woman who feels responsible to share anything that I learned with my friends, and I consider my community the community of good girlfriends that I just want to be a safe place to have some of these really uncomfortable conversations sometimes, and yeah, where we can unpack all of this stuff as it relates to money.

So now, yes, my platform, all these years later is called Redefining Wealth and I’m on a mission to share with people that wealth is so much more than just money and material possessions. When I started to clean my life up and what I now call the six pillars of wealth, the money was easily restored and I’ve been I’ve rebuilt beyond what I had the first time, and that’s what I want to help other people do for themselves.

CLARE

Ohh there’s so much I wanna go into here so I don’t know if you noticed but I was really fighting back tears when you were talking about that bathroom moment because I’ve had that moment. I’ve had a couple of them, actually, and I don’t think a lot of people understand what it’s like to genuinely be going through a coin jar to check if you’ve got enough money for food etc.

I think my lowest ohh crap moment… It was in 2019 and we had two little kids and we got an eviction notice and for someone like me who like you, you know, university qualified, it was like, what the heck is going on here? So let’s maybe. Dive into that a little bit more because I understand a lot of people might get a bit triggered by the fact that you said you had a 7 figure business and they’re like, how the hell is someone who has a 7 figure business? Like how do you get into a situation where? You are struggling to pay the bills. Can we talk a little bit about that?

PATRICE

Yeah, the business that I began was a real estate and mortgage business. So I actually got into the mortgage industry first when I was 19 years old, I was introduced to it and got licenced while I was in college. And during my senior year, I went after my brokers exam, passed on the 1^st go. And so my second semester senior year, what was supposed to be a project like a fake business? I literally used it to start my actual business, so I started this real estate and mortgage brokerage, ran it from a boutique company in Manhattan Beach, CA and then did that successfully for years, until the recessions hit. But what happened first was obviously rooted in the real estate bubble bursting. And when that happened, I was actually on bed rest in the hospital.

So I took a fall down the stairs at 20 weeks pregnant. That sent me into preterm labour. So when I got to the emergency room, they basically just apologised and said, ma’am, I’m sorry you’re in full blown labour. You’re 20 weeks. There’s nothing that we can do and. I was in the emergency room, well over a full 24 hours and they were like, well, the longer she stays in the better. So they admitted me to the hospital. Well, Clare, that turned into a 10 week hospital stay. So I’m in the hospital on bed rest. I cannot move. I have to get assistance if I want to go to the restroom. I cannot move and while I’m in the hospital on bed rest, I’m literally watching the banks that I work with every day close down. At the time I had 16 loan officers and real estate agents who were a part of my team. They’re calling me every other day freaking out. I’m in the hospital on bed rest and everyone else was so used to me being a fixer, but I literally could not get up and go to the restroom without support.

So I’ll never forget, maybe like four or five weeks in to that stay. My doctor came into the room, she said “We’re monitoring the baby. If you don’t stop stressing out, you’re going to leave here two years in a row with no baby.” The year before I gave birth to a son. Prematurely, same hospital, same doctor, same floor, and he passed after five hours in my arms, so I had to make a decision. Do I keep stressing about something I have no control over? Or do I surrender and I chose to surrender and hope that it would save my baby which thank God it did. Part of that was my husband at the time took the laptop and I asked the hospital to take the TV off the wall cause I didn’t want to be tempted to just sit there and watch the doom and gloom on the news.

My husband at the time, who was my partner, exhausted a lot of our reserve keeping everything afloat. Because we had no deals closing and we had overhead and we also at the time had 13 pieces of real estate investment property and we had several of our own tenants who were not paying rent, but we were still floating the mortgages. So it didn’t happen overnight, but definitely within about a year or so I went from thinking, Oh my gosh, this is awesome everyone should get rich early. Being like, Oh my gosh, what are we going to do our own home eventually foreclosed, and our own cars were repossessed within about 14 months. So everything that I knew was upside down in one year, my life was barely recognisable in the worst way possible.

CLARE

Oh my gosh. So that is your big uh-huh moment where you. Decided I need to do things really differently next summer. Can I just take a moment and applaud you for your bravery in making that decision for your baby? It reminded me of something I haven’t thought about in a very long time, but my manager when I was in my early 20s, he became unwell. I was like, dude, like, just don’t worry about work, and he said I want a laptop, I said I’m not giving it to you. Literally insisted, took the laptop, my manager passed away because he just couldn’t let go of this job.

PATRICE

I felt it like in my body, intuitively, and this is something that I’ve also learned just over the last, you know, couple of decades now, I guess, or a decade or so is how much the answers about what we should do or not do, really lie like within us but for so long we’re taught to dismiss it. We’re taught to like, oh, I’m gonna trust whatever this external thing is saying. Like, which is, I need to get the report in or I need to do the thing or I need to know what’s going on when our bodies, our souls, are literally like, please take a break begging us to just, like, take a step back and focus on what really matters. I am the mother of a 16 year old who’s now applying to go to college and she is literally the light of my life, my best friend, I mean the most beautiful person that I know inside. Now, like I gave birth to and almost lost, be it if I would have made that choice right to leave the TV up and harp on all these things that I literally don’t have any control over. The only thing that I can control is what do I do when I get out of here? How do I move forward after this? But being able to take a step back and say what’s the most important thing to me right now, and this is why we redefine wealth for ourselves because money was not the most important thing to me in that hospital bedroom. And did I add Clare, I left there with almost $400,000 in medical debt on top of no deals closing. And all the other things that were going on, but ultimately whatever had to happen for me to move past that time financially, I have the greatest gift I could have ever asked for, which is my daughter. You know, it’s like I can’t even imagine prioritising money over her.

CLARE

That’s so, so true. So if people listening to this and maybe they’re in this real quandary in their heads, because we do still live in a very 3D World where we need money for the shelter and food, and also people want to have nice experiences. How do you… What is the balance between, understanding that is more important things in life? But also, money is still important. So how do you sort of reconcile the difference between the two?

Why purpose over dollar value needs to be aligned to the life you desire

PATRICE

Yeah, I’m so glad you asked that, because I think sometimes even when people hear my mantra chase purpose, not money, they assume it means don’t have any money. I’m like, no, I’m not saying that at all. Like if you if you owe me money, I actually want my money. Like I actually do want it. Like, if you’re hiring me to do something, I’m gonna need you to pay me. It’s not that. It’s that when we only make decisions from the lens of how much money is it? Then now we are making decisions from a place of I believe scarcity and lack and fear rather than faith. I don’t only make decisions based on, well, how much money is it? Because if I do, more than likely I’ll find myself in positions and places, environments, relationships that are not aligned, and if they’re not aligned, they’re going to cause a void anyway, that will inevitably help me get rid of the money. Right. Because it’s just it, it’s not aligned with who I really am. What I really desire and what matters to me. It’s the recipe for sabotage. You’re gonna sabotage it anyway, so you may get it in the short term, but can you keep it? Can you sustain it? So what I also learned on that bathroom floor when I got to digging around the dictionary. The difference between knowledge and wisdom… I also looked up what’s the definition of wealth and the reason the platform is redefining wealth is because, it was never about just money and material possessions. That was only the very surface level definition. The original definition is actually the condition of well-being. So. it’s not that money is immaterial or doesn’t matter. It’s just that it’s not the thing you have to lead with and we know this to be true because think about, you know, how often you’ll hear people lead with these imaginary numbers. Well, when I make 6 figures, everything will be well, OK then they spend a lot of time, energy, effort doing all the things to chase this number.

Like we have pillars. So when I always talk about things it is in context of the pillars. So. I always tell my community you don’t even know what the number is. You’re just chasing a random. What is your vision for that? Because then that’ll dictate a certain number. Some of us will find that we would actually be very happy and content at $80,000 a year. And the additional time that we’re wearing ourselves out, burning out, not spending time with family, not doing the things that actually matter to us, not volunteering, not showing up in the ways that we want to, is squandered on chasing another $40,000 etc that wouldn’t even make you happier. That’s why so many people will hit a dollar amount and still feel unfulfilled. I know a lot of seven figure business owners that are completely unfulfilled. They get off on being able to say, oh, I’m a some bigger business earner on stage. But behind the scenes their life is a wreck and they’re unhappy. You get to choose what that number is, so it’s not that you don’t need the number, but make sure that you are pursuing a number that aligns with the life you actually desire.

CLARE

Another big thing that I teach about a lot is a lot of times just because someone’s making seven figures a year doesn’t actually mean that their business is even profitable or making that much money. So that’s another factor to measuring it.

PATRICE

Social media drives me nuts. Can I just be honest with you? It creates this idea that everyone should just be living high on the hog, as they say here like and going after these arbitrary numbers when you look at someone sometimes who says they have a 7 figure business, we don’t know if they have $989,000 of expenses to create that business, in which case with your $100,000 business that you and your VA may be running right, you may be way more profitable and they are literally so caught up in the cycle, they’ve become a prisoner to the perception that people have of them, that it’s not even enjoyable.

That’s not wealth to me. Wealth is not just a dollar amount. It’s not how much you make. It’s not how much you save. Wealth to me is freedom. It is the freedom to do what I want when I want, where I want, for how long I want with whom I want. That is actual wealth to me, because if I can live my life well. If I can look at each pillar of my life and feel good about where I am, where I’m going and feel completely aligned with my morals and my values, and maintain the character that I want to have. I made millions of dollars in different seasons of my life, especially with my ex husband, and I was not well in the people pillar. I was settling for behaviour that was confusing self confidence with self worth and all this other stuff like I was not necessarily well. Oh, but I had a huge house and we had six cars and I was travelling all over the world first class and taking all of these amazing vacations, I was willing to pursue peace over appearances and in the end I choose inner peace. And an internal sense of like knowing that I’m on the right path over external validation, because people may see all these things, they think I’m wealthy. I rather know that I’m wealthy in relationships, spiritually in every way possible than have the perception of wealth for others.

CLARE

So what are these pillars? That you keep coming back to.

The six pillars of wealth

PATRICE

Oh yeah, so the first pillar is fit. Fit is about becoming your best self and it’s about being mentally and physically well. I truly believe that many of us are praying for positions that we don’t have the mental capacity to sustain. For me, that was true at different times throughout my life, but in particular, Clare, just growing up, feeling like the ugly duckling and feeling like in my family, I was told. Ohh you’re the ugly one. You’re the dark one. You’re the this. You’re the that.

CLARE

You’re beautiful. How could anyone say that?

PATRICE

Thank you so much and I can receive that now. But for 25 years of my life, I could not receive that I would have been like, she’s just trying to be nice. I just could not receive it. And it wasn’t until I went to therapy, I started therapy at 22 years old. I was 25 before I could look in the mirror without cringing and without wishing I looked like someone else. A cousin or someone else. And I say that to say, when I look at my life today and being on national television regularly and my face on the cover of five books and speaking on stages and doing all these things, I see now that, had I not dealt with that, it would have blocked me from the wealth that I desire. It would have blocked me from making the money that I ultimately desired in this way, and being in a position where I could sustain it now, right because 25 is also when I first hit seven figures in that first business and a part of that was like being able to pitch myself more and have more confidence. I was always smart. There’s a lot of brilliant women who are listening to this podcast. They know that you know, you’re listening to me right now. You are the smartest around, but you don’t always raise your hand or throw your hat in the ring for an opportunity or feel comfortable sending the proposal because you lack confidence. Possibly in some type of childhood trauma that you have not expressed or dealt with yet, and I called childhood traumas like a beach ball that we keep trying to push under the water. And we’re like, oh, we’re trying to keep it down, right. As long as we’re using two hands and all of our energy and effort to stuff that down, this is now energy and time and effort taken away from what we actually are called to do in the world. And then ultimately that impacts. Our ability to get to the wealth that we desire. So it’s about being mentally and also physically well. Doesn’t matter to me. Number on the scale, dress size, I’ve looked totally thin and been completely unhealthy at different points in my life and it’s really just about do you have the are you doing the work to protect the vessel needed to execute this vision you have for your final?

Because many people are exhausting themselves and burning themselves out to dig early grave for which they won’t be able to enjoy the money. Or to spend a good part of their lives paying for prescriptions they can’t pronounce. I don’t know how it is where you are, but where I am, there is a lot of preventable diseases that people are dealing with because they refuse to take care of themselves, and some of us do it in the name of I’m working on my purpose or I’m doing the things, but we’re also just allowing ourselves to mistreat the only vessel that we’re going to get. So this is a big piece when we say. As well. Let’s take that seriously. So that’s the first pillar.

Second pillar is people. It’s about creating relationships that matter personally and professionally. I will say one of my biggest takeaways in the people pillar has just been there’s always someone watching you who has the power to bless you, but who are they watching you be like, how are they watching you show up? Relationships have been the foundation. For any measure of wealth I’ve had, I believe that the relationships that we have in our lives really do determine right the language that we speak, the way that we see wealth the way that we see finances, the way that we see success, the way that we see rich people. If you’re around people that use disempowering language, you inevitably are going to use disempowering language. Right? Being in proximity to people that have the language and lens of abundance has been secret sauce for me. When people say, how did you get on the Steve Harvey show or the Doctor Oz show here? Or how did you end up in this magazine or that magazine? I wish I could tell you I had some high powered publicist… I really think it’s vibration and energy. I think it’s the fact that I treat everyone with respect. I treat people with dignity and I don’t care if you are the custodian or the CEO. I’m going to smile and say hi on the elevator.

We live in a time where people only prioritise and value folks that have big cheques, if they have a certain number of Instagram followers, if they have a certain this and a certain that then you decide if someone is worth your time or not. And personally I’ve just been an energy person. Do I feel like I could have a great conversation with this person or does it feel aligned? I’ve navigated the world that way, many of the referrals that I’ve gotten have just come from people I would have never expected. Like literally, I would have never expected some of them to advocate for me or to put me in certain places. And so we have a really big emphasis at the Institute for Redefining wealth on building relationships and how to nurture long term relationships. Not because you want something, but just because when you are at that energy, it’s inevitable you’re gonna attract more of the same.

One of our big takeaways there is… we know that a lot of us are dealing with clutter, even if it’s pretty clutter, even if it’s hidden clutter and we believe that clutter is the physical manifestation of chaos in our mind, like in March, we’re actually doing a challenge in my community called release to receive, and we’re looking at each one of the pillars and going, what do you need to release there to receive what you want?

Relationships going back to people, pillar is really big for people right now. And I’ve been hearing a lot about people being in relationships that don’t feel like they’re being honoured, valued or it’s not reciprocated. The energy they give is not reciprocated. So one of the things I’m going to assign to them is if the people pillars, you’re thinking you want better relationships, clean out your phone contacts. How many of us are walking around with thousands of contacts that all of these things represent energy, so we have all of these contacts, and when we have all of these people who we know don’t deserve us, but we leave it open for them to get to us and contact us, like if we’re not good energy, you can’t just text me. You can’t just text me. You don’t deserve access to me, right? But a lot of us are giving up our energy. And again, all of this is energy that could be put into what it is you say you want instead of keeping yourself in space is where you’re talking about what you don’t like. And what? You don’t want, so space is really important to us and space is represented in each one of the pillars. Like there’s a physical space that always represents where you don’t feel your best and where you feel stuck and 1st exercise is always be radically honest about what’s not serving you and then look for physical representation of that and allow yourself to create rituals to clear them. I’m really big on just clearing space, clearing energy so that I can call in what I do desire. So that’s space pillar.

The fourth pillar is faith. It’s about believing in something greater. I often say I don’t care what people believe in. Clare, your eviction notice in 2019, my eviction notices back in 2009. Life is so full. Of ups and downs, it’s not a matter of if, it’s just when. There’s going to be something that comes that doesn’t really meet your desire, but do you have practises in place so that you can exercise resilience when it’s needed?

And I think a lot of us are so reactive and with the faith pillar I just encourage people to be proactive about building that muscle so that when the time comes, you’re. I think that’s been for me. I know you said you’ve had multiple ugly cry moments. Maybe your bathroom floor moments. I have too, and the reason that I can get up and move so quickly, like into the next thing is because that muscle I already have a process for how I process life. So that’s what the faith pillar means to me. Don’t care what you say you believe in, but if you say you believe in something, make time to practise! Whether that’s meditation or journaling or praying or being still being silent. Some type of mindfulness, just whatever allows you to centre yourself. And get ready so we stay ready so we don’t have to get ready.

And then the fifth pillar is about work. It’s living your life’s purpose. I don’t believe that people follow their passion and the money will come. I hate when people say that actually. A lot of us are passionate about things we’re not proficient in. I love singing in the shower. Like if you come to my bathroom door, if you come to my master bedroom door when I’m in the shower, you are going to get serenaded and it’s not with the best voice. I’m very passionate about it, but not proficient, so it would be crazy for me to spend all this time exercising energy, simply chasing something I’m passionate about. Passion is energy, it’s excitement, it’s like, oh, what’s the thing that lights you up? Until you can use that thing to actually be a blessing to someone else. It’s not purpose. When it’s you just for you, it’s passion. But when it’s for others, it’s purpose.

What I’ve learned over the years is when you start to see how the thing that you are naturally inclined to do can be a blessing to others, and you allow yourself to get passionate about that. Magic happens. And when you, I never saw myself as a writer, I was always a good writer, even back in high school and college. But I never saw myself as a writer. But when I started to blog in 2009 and people were responding and I got to see how my words impacted other people, it gave me enthusiasm and excitement to go man, I need to maybe learn how to be more efficient at this. Maybe I can do more things than I started writing for magazines and then that led me writing my first book, and so on and so forth and now I’m passionate about writing. In the ways that feel good to me now, but I originally never saw it as a thing.

The big thing that we share, is when you are not doing something that feels purposeful and you spend so much time agonising and trying to force yourself in these places that don’t necessarily feel good, it only deepens that void. And I should have said too, I have an MBA in Behavioural, Finance and Financial Psychology, I just don’t use all the jargon, but it starts to create a void. And when you don’t address the void when you don’t fill the void with something that feels fulfilling, it only leads to more mismanagement of finances. It only leads you to… I work hard and I deserve it, so now we’re buying things that we already own, just 17 versions of the same shoes. You know what I mean? We’re making choices with our money that are not really rooted in anything that we know to be wise. We’re just making these emotional buys and choices and not just with things. A lot of us buy people too, when we’re unfulfilled, we use money to earn love and earn respect and earn any number of things validation of others. So that’s the people that I’m sorry, the work pillar and then the last pillar is money.

Finally, the money lady gets the money. I was called America’s money maker for like 10 years here and I don’t even really talk about money like that anymore. I leave that to awesome women like you. But with the money pillar, what we focus on with redefining wealth is just respecting where you are now. And different exercises just around respecting because I believe it’s a muscle that you build. I don’t think that when someone hits a certain dollar amount all of a sudden they become financially wise. I think that we start literally building muscles. So for even for myself, when I was at my worst rebuilding, I started saving, I think at the time it was like $14.00 or something out of these little cheques I would get and it wasn’t about the denomination. It was about the discipline. So as my career started to grow again and I started to get bigger cheques, I was already in the discipline of taking a percentage and saving it, and so when we continue to clear the clutter and all these other places in our lives, it becomes much easier to do the things we’ve already learned than the money pillar.

That was a lot, sorry…

CLARE

No that was amazing. I was just sitting here lapping that all up. What programmes do you take people through to support them, to redefine wealth in their lives?

PATRICE

Yeah, just in the last year, year and a half now, actually, the programme, I would say foundationally is the Institute for Redefining Wealth. It’s actually just a membership. And so every month it is structured to really focus on a theme of the month based on the pillar. At the beginning of this year, the pillar was about mindfulness and the whole community was just trying different mindfulness techniques so that they could clear their minds to actually establish a new dream and vision for themselves. And then we use the pillars to help support that vision. So in the Institute for Redefining Wealth, they get access to a course that I’ve created called Pillar Foundations. And you literally get like a 15 minute training on each pillar. But then I lay down actions for that pillar. I don’t think everyone needs to do everything, I think it just depends on what is your actual goal and vision and dream and then they we have a quiz called the Redefining Wealth Quiz which anyone can take is totally free, but what happens is a lot of people identify the pillar that may need the most support, like in this season and then they come in, they do the training for that pillar and then they do all the lessons to see where am I kind of disconnected and what can I start to implement and how would that help me get for get closer to my goal? It’s a $49.00 a month membership.

CLARE

Wow, that’s a really accessible price point and I am eyeing off your book as well. You’ve got a couple of books which book talks about the pillars that you’ve mentioned today.

PATRICE

The book is Redefined Wealth For Yourself. It’s the last book I wrote in 2021, and it’s also a great starting place. It takes you through each one of the pillars, and it has a lot of the breakdown, but then the practical exercises, everything from journaling prompts to like physical exercises to go and do. In your life and it goes through a lot of the rituals habits. Just routines that have been developed over the years, either through my own experience or also through supporting clients one on one.

CLARE

I’ll pop the link for the membership, how you can connect with Patrice on socials, her website, the quiz… I’ll put pop all of that in the show notes for today’s episode. Is there anything else that you do want to share with the listeners before we wrap up for today, Patrice?

PATRICE

I just want to remind everyone listening that you have the right to redefine wealth for yourself. It does not matter what your parents said, what any adult who had authority over you said, a lot of us are going on autopilot trying to hit goals and metrics that were never ours to begin with. And so I just want to remind you and hopefully give you some permission today that you truly can redefine wealth for yourself. You can be radically honest about whatever… and if any of these pillars has not been serving you and make a choice to redefine what that looks like for you moving forward in a way that feels good and feels authentic, and feels aligned for you, because ultimately that is the only way that you will experience true abundance in this lifetime is to do things on your terms, and you have the right to nobody can take that away from.

CLARE

What a beautiful way to wrap up that episode. Thank you so much for coming on Patrice. I really, really appreciate your time, and I’ve loved our conversation.

PATRICE

Thank you so much for having me. It was so kind of you to invite me into your world and share me with your audience, and I appreciate it, so thank you.